COHEN: Then should we mandate for children?
(Laughter.)
COHEN: We do for school entry. Individual states do for school entry. Why don’t we do that to protect the population? And we know that protecting our children from the vaccine, if they are indeed ten times more infectious —
MONTO: A very brief answer which covers a lot of problems with influenza vaccine and we’ve heard it brought up already and that is, a lot of our problems with mandating influenza vaccine, use of influenza vaccine, would go away if we didn’t have the need for annual vaccination. I mean, we’ve got a different kind of vaccine here, and I think we need to recognize the difference between influenza vaccine the way it’s used and the fact that it’s a good vaccine.
It’s not a great vaccine. We’ve shown in a recent study 70 percent efficacy of the live vaccine in healthy adults young adults, who should have the best efficacy. We need, as we’ve heard, a better vaccine.
COHEN: Well, it’s an interesting question, though. Would you be against mandating?
SIMONSEN: Well, I think this is very interesting because, I mean, especially for the health-care worker example. I mean, there are many, many good reasons why health care workers should be considering immunization for their own safety but also to protect and, first, do no harm to the patients that they are treating. Having said that, does it work to mandate?
I think what would work better would be to say that there was a shortage and people tend to buy more of something that’s in demand. (Laughter.) We saw that — there was one season where, really, people lined up all night to get a flu shot.
COHEN: Right.
SIMONSEN: And I mean —
COHEN: Well, there is shortage.
SIMONSEN: No, actually, because we thought we were going to need two doses for every adult and since we are – only one dose, so, actually, we have twice as many doses and enough for the whole population at this point, I understand.
COHEN: But it’s not there today, so –
SIMONSEN: Right, right. But I mean, that’s –
COHEN: You had a question. You’ve been waiting a long time. And please identify yourself.
Jon Cohen, Arnold Monto and Lone Simonsen, from Session I of a Council On Foreign Relations Symposium on Pandemic Influenza: Science, Economics and Foreign Policy, 10-16-09 (streaming video & audio also available)
How else do I know she was talking out of school? All you have to do is look at what’s happened in Canada. 50 million vaccine doses were ordered for a population of 33 million, but we are told there is a shortage, and the excuse given is that the sole source, GlaxoSmithKline, has to focus at the moment on non-adjuvanted vaccines – for special purposes, like the military. The general population, of course, gets the adjuvanted kind.
I heard this with my own ears on a CPAC broadcast of the emergency Parliamentary session on Swine Flu held on Monday evening (Nov. 2) – and the CBC confirms it:
“GlaxoSmithKline overestimated their ability to produce the adjuvanted vaccine while they focus on unadjuvanted vaccine” …
But do you remember the video that the Sun dumped as quickly as it published it, and we had to look elsewhere to find it? It said that the vaccine has arrived in two separate vials, one containing vaccine, another containing adjuvant – and the two had to be mixed by the jabbers themselves, which is why the line-ups moved so slowly.
“CFR confirms vaccine shortage in Canada is a lie!“, YayaCanada 11-4-09
YayaCanada links to False Flag Flu, which drops the phrase “Swine-Eleven”. Nice!
Have fun and cuídate.
